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Start for freeToby Lütke, CEO and founder of Shopify, joined the podcast to share his unique approach to building and leading one of the world's most successful e-commerce platforms. Throughout the conversation, two key themes emerged: thinking from first principles and maximizing human potential.
The Toby Tornado
Lütke is known for his direct and sometimes disruptive approach to decision-making, which some call the "Toby tornado." He describes it as "a whole lot of change management or conversation or conflict or Real Talk compressed into a very short time frame."
When Lütke sees something that doesn't seem right, he initiates a conversation. If the issue isn't resolved satisfactorily, he may stop a project entirely and reassemble the team to start a new version. While this can be jarring for some, Lütke believes it's ultimately fairer and more productive:
"If I imagine something might not be the right thing to work on, I'm either incorrect, at which point this is super important that I understand why, or I'm correct, at which point it's super unfair for letting people work on something that isn't going to make it."
He emphasizes the importance of compressing time and making decisions quickly, rather than letting people continue working on projects that are unlikely to succeed.
Maximizing Human Potential
A core belief driving Lütke's leadership style is that everyone has far more potential than they realize:
"I really really really think that there is not a single person on this planet who is even close to being at their maximum potential. I just think everyone is way way way way way better than they think."
He sees his role as constantly reminding people of their own potential and holding them to high standards. This approach can sometimes lead to disappointment, but Lütke believes it ultimately results in people accomplishing things they never thought possible.
This philosophy extends to Shopify's product as well. Lütke wants Shopify to cause people to be more successful than they initially imagined with their online stores and businesses.
Thinking from First Principles
Lütke is known for his first principles approach to problem-solving and decision-making. Rather than following conventional wisdom or industry norms, he tries to break problems down to their fundamental truths and reason up from there.
Some key aspects of his first principles thinking include:
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Being in the details: Lütke believes it's crucial to deeply understand the systems and technologies you're working with. For him, this means continuing to code and work directly on Shopify's platform.
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Avoiding sunk cost fallacy: He's willing to kill projects or change direction quickly if it becomes clear something isn't working, rather than continuing due to prior investment.
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Analyzing path dependence: Lütke examines how existing solutions and products have been shaped by historical factors that may no longer be relevant.
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Identifying overfit solutions: He looks for areas where current approaches may be solving for outdated problems or constraints.
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Encouraging disagreement: Lütke actively seeks out differing viewpoints and appreciates when team members challenge his ideas.
The 100-Year Vision
Unlike many companies that focus primarily on short-term goals, Shopify operates with a 100-year vision in mind. Lütke explains:
"We have very long-term plans. At 100 years you can't talk about the details of software projects, but you can talk about the mission itself. What are the things that will survive for 80 years or left on this particular time frame?"
For Shopify, this long-term mission is about making entrepreneurship more common and accessible. This extended time horizon influences many of their product and business decisions, often leading them to prioritize long-term value creation over short-term gains.
The Talent Stack
Lütke advocates for what he calls the "talent stack" - the unique combination of skills, interests, and experiences that make an individual valuable. He encourages people to follow their curiosity and develop expertise in seemingly unrelated areas, as these often combine in unexpected ways to create opportunities.
He shares his own experience of following his interests in programming, retail, and the internet, which ultimately led to the creation of Shopify. Lütke advises:
"Instead of trying to create top-tier which is of course a huge market but hard to differentiate, it's much better to figure out a triplicate intersection of three different things and nail it."
Giving a S*** About the Product
In his final thoughts, Lütke emphasizes the critical importance of caring deeply about the products you're building:
"Every product in the world, the quality at the end of the day is simply a reflection of how much the people who created it gave a s*** about the product. It is not possible to make great products if the people who work on it do not give a s*** about the product."
He sees it as a key responsibility of product leaders to ensure their teams are genuinely invested in and excited about what they're creating. This passion and care, more than any specific process or methodology, is what Lütke believes leads to truly exceptional products.
In conclusion, Toby Lütke's approach to building and leading Shopify is characterized by deep, first-principles thinking, a relentless focus on maximizing human potential, and a commitment to long-term value creation. By encouraging curiosity, embracing disagreement, and fostering genuine care for the product, Lütke has created a company culture that continues to drive innovation and success in the e-commerce industry.
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